When Is It Looting?

Surviving the threat from other Survivors

Re: When Is It Looting?

Postby Bob » Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:47 pm

For those of you who did not get Cav's reference to the Light Brigade

Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
"Forward, the Light Brigade!
"Charge for the guns!" he said:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

"Forward, the Light Brigade!"
Was there a man dismay'd?
Not tho' the soldier knew
Someone had blunder'd:
Theirs not to make reply,
Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die:
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of Hell
Rode the six hundred.

Flash'd all their sabres bare,
Flash'd as they turn'd in air,
Sabring the gunners there,
Charging an army, while
All the world wonder'd:
Plunged in the battery-smoke
Right thro' the line they broke;
Cossack and Russian
Reel'd from the sabre stroke
Shatter'd and sunder'd.
Then they rode back, but not
Not the six hundred.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon behind them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell,
While horse and hero fell,
They that had fought so well
Came thro' the jaws of Death
Back from the mouth of Hell,
All that was left of them,
Left of six hundred.

When can their glory fade?
O the wild charge they made!
All the world wondered.
Honor the charge they made,
Honor the Light Brigade,
Noble six hundred.

If you are too lazy to read that much watch
[youtube]uzCOL6ewpPw[/youtube]
ADVERSUS VICTUS MORTUUS TANTUM CAPUT MISSA PENDO
User avatar
Bob
Team Exodus
Team Exodus
 
Posts: 2388
Joined: Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:21 pm

Re: When Is It Looting?

Postby CavWarrior » Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:55 pm

Thanks, Bob. I would have thought most would have at least heard of the Light Brigade. I could be mistaken though. I do know we have a higher level of intelligence demonstrated here than in the general population.
User avatar
CavWarrior
Team Exodus
Team Exodus
 
Posts: 782
Joined: Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:35 pm
Location: Indiana

Re: When Is It Looting?

Postby Kavorkian » Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:42 pm

That is one of my all time favorites. Its up there with Sullivan Ballou's letter.
Professional soldiers are predictable, but the world is full of amateurs.
User avatar
Kavorkian
Team Exodus
Team Exodus
 
Posts: 157
Joined: Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:34 am

Re: When Is It Looting?

Postby SoB » Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:50 pm

Sad due to truth.



Tommy

By Rudyard Kipling, 1892

I went into a public- 'ouse to get a pint o' beer,

The publican 'e up an sez, "We serve no red-coats here."

The girls behind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,

I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:

O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy go away";

But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play-

The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,

O it's "Thank you Mr Atkins," when the band begins to play.

I went into a theatre as sober as could be,

They gave a drunk civilian roo, but 'adn't none for me;

They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,

But when it comes to fighting', Lord! They'll shove me in the stalls!

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy wait outside";

But it's "Special train for Atkins," when the trooper's on the tide-

The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,

O it's "Special train for Atkins," when the trooper's on the tide.

Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep

Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;

An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit

Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.

Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy 'ow's yer soul?"

But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll-

The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,

O it's " Thin red line of 'eroes," when the drums begin to roll.

We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,

But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;

An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,

Why single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;

While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy fall be'ind,"

But it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind-

There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,

O it's "Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.

You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:

We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.

Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face

The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.

For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck 'im out, the brute!"

But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;

An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;

An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!
User avatar
SoB
Team Exodus
Team Exodus
 
Posts: 294
Joined: Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:13 pm

Re: When Is It Looting?

Postby CavWarrior » Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:10 pm

Kavorkian wrote:That is one of my all time favorites. Its up there with Sullivan Ballou's letter.


Arguably the greatest love letter ever written.

July the 14th, 1861

Washington DC

My very dear Sarah:

The indications are very strong that we shall move in a few days - perhaps tomorrow. Lest I should not be able to write you again, I feel impelled to write lines that may fall under your eye when I shall be no more.

Our movement may be one of a few days duration and full of pleasure - and it may be one of severe conflict and death to me. Not my will, but thine 0 God, be done. If it is necessary that I should fall on the battlefield for my country, I am ready. I have no misgivings about, or lack of confidence in, the cause in which I am engaged, and my courage does not halt or falter. I know how strongly American Civilization now leans upon the triumph of the Government, and how great a debt we owe to those who went before us through the blood and suffering of the Revolution. And I am willing - perfectly willing - to lay down all my joys in this life, to help maintain this Government, and to pay that debt.

But, my dear wife, when I know that with my own joys I lay down nearly all of yours, and replace them in this life with cares and sorrows - when, after having eaten for long years the bitter fruit of orphanage myself, I must offer it as their only sustenance to my dear little children - is it weak or dishonorable, while the banner of my purpose floats calmly and proudly in the breeze, that my unbounded love for you, my darling wife and children, should struggle in fierce, though useless, contest with my love of country?

I cannot describe to you my feelings on this calm summer night, when two thousand men are sleeping around me, many of them enjoying the last, perhaps, before that of death -- and I, suspicious that Death is creeping behind me with his fatal dart, am communing with God, my country, and thee.

I have sought most closely and diligently, and often in my breast, for a wrong motive in thus hazarding the happiness of those I loved and I could not find one. A pure love of my country and of the principles have often advocated before the people and "the name of honor that I love more than I fear death" have called upon me, and I have obeyed.

Sarah, my love for you is deathless, it seems to bind me to you with mighty cables that nothing but Omnipotence could break; and yet my love of Country comes over me like a strong wind and bears me irresistibly on with all these chains to the battlefield.

The memories of the blissful moments I have spent with you come creeping over me, and I feel most gratified to God and to you that I have enjoyed them so long. And hard it is for me to give them up and burn to ashes the hopes of future years, when God willing, we might still have lived and loved together and seen our sons grow up to honorable manhood around us. I have, I know, but few and small claims upon Divine Providence, but something whispers to me - perhaps it is the wafted prayer of my little Edgar -- that I shall return to my loved ones unharmed. If I do not, my dear Sarah, never forget how much I love you, and when my last breath escapes me on the battlefield, it will whisper your name.

Forgive my many faults, and the many pains I have caused you. How thoughtless and foolish I have oftentimes been! How gladly would I wash out with my tears every little spot upon your happiness, and struggle with all the misfortune of this world, to shield you and my children from harm. But I cannot. I must watch you from the spirit land and hover near you, while you buffet the storms with your precious little freight, and wait with sad patience till we meet to part no more.

But, O Sarah! If the dead can come back to this earth and flit unseen around those they loved, I shall always be near you; in the garish day and in the darkest night -- amidst your happiest scenes and gloomiest hours - always, always; and if there be a soft breeze upon your cheek, it shall be my breath; or the cool air fans your throbbing temple, it shall be my spirit passing by.

Sarah, do not mourn me dead; think I am gone and wait for thee, for we shall meet again.

As for my little boys, they will grow as I have done, and never know a father's love and care. Little Willie is too young to remember me long, and my blue eyed Edgar will keep my frolics with him among the dimmest memories of his childhood. Sarah, I have unlimited confidence in your maternal care and your development of their characters. Tell my two mothers his and hers I call God's blessing upon them. O Sarah, I wait for you there! Come to me, and lead thither my children.

Sullivan

Maj. Sullivan Ballou, 2nd Rhode Island Volunteers, was killed a week later at the first Battle of Bull Run, July 21, 1861.

[youtube]ljyCmWz07s8[/youtube]
User avatar
CavWarrior
Team Exodus
Team Exodus
 
Posts: 782
Joined: Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:35 pm
Location: Indiana

Re: When Is It Looting?

Postby Shelbyman82nd » Mon Nov 11, 2013 11:13 am

Oh, you mean to S.T.E.A.L.....Strategic Transport of Equipment to Another Location? I prepare so that I don't need the goods of others, but I will find what I need to survive and take care of my loved ones. Taking for fun? Not me. That's risky business and I am trying to increase my life span, not decrease it.
We Bury Our Mistakes -TF Recon Medics
User avatar
Shelbyman82nd
Team Exodus
Team Exodus
 
Posts: 141
Joined: Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:38 pm
Location: Murray, UT

Re: When Is It Looting?

Postby CavWarrior » Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:26 pm

I agree. Taking from others is not only wrong it could shorten your life expectancy considerably.
User avatar
CavWarrior
Team Exodus
Team Exodus
 
Posts: 782
Joined: Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:35 pm
Location: Indiana

Re: When Is It Looting?

Postby ConSeannery » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:50 pm

Taking a TV = Looting

Taking Medicine, food, weapons, ammuntion, etc AFTER people have stopped taking TVs = Scavenging
Never hit first. Always hit back.

The only thing worse than a zombie trying to eat you, is a zombie trying to eat you while it is on fire.
User avatar
ConSeannery
Hunter
 
Posts: 428
Joined: Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:19 pm
Location: North Dakota

Re: When Is It Looting?

Postby CavWarrior » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:52 pm

Ha! Damned good definition. Taking a TV after the electricity is out = stupid.
User avatar
CavWarrior
Team Exodus
Team Exodus
 
Posts: 782
Joined: Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:35 pm
Location: Indiana

Re: When Is It Looting?

Postby ConSeannery » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:59 pm

I think another good way to define it would be scavenging after it's become reasonable to assume that order will not be back any time soon.

That being said, don't try to take stuff that isn't yours and get pissed when you get shot.
Never hit first. Always hit back.

The only thing worse than a zombie trying to eat you, is a zombie trying to eat you while it is on fire.
User avatar
ConSeannery
Hunter
 
Posts: 428
Joined: Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:19 pm
Location: North Dakota

PreviousNext

Return to The Human Threat

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests

cron